I just lately did a podcast with Ryan Hoover, co-founder of Product Hunt and my sister Ada Chen Rekhi, beforehand SVP Advertising at Survey Monkey – right here’s what we discuss:
- The network results that makes Silicon Valley what it’s. The distinctiveness of the Silicon Valley tech ecosystem, how network results conspire to create a “wealthy get richer” state of affairs for cities, and why new communication instruments enabling distributed groups to work collectively throughout continents might imply that there shall be no “subsequent Silicon Valley.”
- Large firms versus small ones. Ada shares her insights on the contrasting ability units wanted when working at a giant firm versus a small startup, after having herself gone from a small startup to an enormous group like LinkedIn again to a two-person startup with her husband.
- Personal life OKRs. The way to port the idea of OKRs — targets and key outcomes, a personnel administration framework originated by legendary Intel CEO Andy Grove — to your personal life from your enterprise (and why you’d need to). We discuss you should use them to assist handle your train, social life and relationship with your SO.
After all, we additionally chat about a few of our favourite merchandise, together with an app that permits you to pop in to a luxurious lodge for a number of hours to bathe or have a nap, an excellent cool solution to greet guests to your workplace, and a brand new app for emailing your self.
Right here it’s under as an embed, however when you don’t see it inline, you can listen to the podcast via this link too. If you happen to just like the podcast, you possibly can subscribe here. Because of Ryan for placing this collectively, together with the transcript!
Some quotes from the episode
“Whenever you’re executing at a small startup, or a small staff, or simply by your self, it actually comes all the way down to ideating, choosing and prioritizing, and then rolling up your sleeves and simply getting issues completed as shortly as doable. It’s an evening and day distinction from a giant firm.” — Ada
“If you happen to graph cities, there’s an influence regulation: the largest cities are actually massive and there’s this lengthy tail of all these little tiny cities, and the explanation for that’s that there’s a network impact inside cities. These ecosystems emerge as a result of the designers are right here, as a result of the engineers are right here, as a result of the capital is right here, as a result of the advertising individuals are right here, and on and on and on.” — Andrew
“With regards to working at a big firm, it’s rather more cerebral and rather more concerning the coronary heart. You’re excited about collaborate and talk throughout a cross-functional staff to get the initiative completed: are you able to talk what it’s about; are you able to encourage individuals to get it completed; are you able to handle all of the working items?” — Ada
“Both these network results will proceed to carry and the Bay Space will proceed to be robust, or we make massive structural shifts in how we manage groups and workforces and the network results change into much less robust. However that doesn’t imply another metropolis turns into the following Silicon Valley, there gained’t truly be a “subsequent” Silicon Valley — it both continues or will simply be distributed.” — Andrew
“The irony of it’s that typically if you find yourself engaged on tasks with such giant scale, as a result of the ability set is so completely different, it truly feels such as you’re not doing something in any respect — you’re merely managing the appendages of the opposite teams and making an attempt to verify everyone seems to be staying on monitor and executing.” — Ada
On becoming a member of a enterprise capital agency: “The concept that I’d do the factor I need to do for enjoyable as my full-time job looks like I’ve gained an ice cream consuming competitors, and the prize is extra ice cream.” — Andrew
Firms and Merchandise Talked about in This Episode
- Bose — Noise-cancelling earbuds.
- Breather — Peace and quiet, on-demand. Reserve a non-public area on the go
- Captio — E mail your self with one faucet.
- Envoy — Elegantly greet guests to your workplace.
- HabitShare — The one habit-tracking app that’s social to its core.
- NotaBene — Shortcuts for shortly emailing notes to your self and others.
- Notejoy — Collaborative notes for your total staff.
- Recharge — Take a nap or bathe in a luxurious lodge.
- Reddit — r/InternetIsBeautiful, r/bestof and
- Spacious — Versatile, drop-in workspace.
- VIPKID — Train Chinese language kids from your house.
- We Are The Nerds: The Birth and Tumultuous Life of Reddit, the Internet’s Culture Laboratory by Christine Lagorio-Chafkin
Ryan: Hey all people, that is Ryan Hoover with Product Hunt Radio and I’m right here at Andreessen Horowitz down in Menlo Park with two individuals I’ve identified for a short time now, two brothers and sisters, Andrew Chen and Ada Chen. That is the primary brother and sister duo and hopefully the primary of many. Thanks for having me over right here. First off, Andrew, you joined Andreessen Horowitz, is it six months in the past?
Andrew: Yeah, I feel I’m on month 5. I’m shortly reaching my half 12 months mark, which has gone extremely quick.
Ryan: Are you utterly swamped with conferences and pitches or how has it modified since earlier than Andreessen Horowitz?
Andrew: Yeah, so after I was at Uber I actually beloved assembly with startups and listening to about new concepts and staying in contact with the tech neighborhood, however I can solely do it very first thing within the morning and on weekends and it shortly stuffed up my schedule. So I’d work at Uber and then I’d do this [meet with founders] mainly. The concept that I’d do the factor that I needed to do for enjoyable, like as my full time job form of looks like I’ve gained an ice cream consuming competitors and the prize is extra ice cream. I might do as a lot as I need, which is tremendous superior.
Ryan: Yeah. And so your, your background, simply possibly for those who aren’t tremendous acquainted, you have been at Uber proper earlier than this and then what’s your quick model of your historical past?
Andrew: Yeah, yeah, completely. We have been simply speaking about. So Ada and I, who’s my little sister, by the way in which, I need to make clear —
Ada: [laughter, eye-rolling and protestation]
Andrew: So we grew up in Seattle, and we each made our solution to the Bay Space. Really, the humorous factor is my first job ever was truly in enterprise capital and was one thing I did proper after school. Then after that I ended up working at a collection of startups, I moved to the Bay Space 10 years in the past to begin my very own firm. I had truly met Marc and Ben [of Andreesen Horowitz] right here and they really led the seed spherical for a startup I used to be engaged on through the Fb platform days when everybody was engaged on loopy viral apps.
Ryan: In order that’s round once we met.
Andrew: Yeah, proper. Yeah, that’s precisely, that’s proper round once we met and they invested out of a Horowitz Andreessen Angel Fund, which was actually humorous as a result of that will have been like H16N and so completely different. So, I met them and I labored on that for some time and ended up mainly deciding that it’d be higher to go to a bigger group, ended up at Uber working varied progress groups there. So I spent three years there, like a very, actually enjoyable expertise —
Ryan: In all probability fairly wild too, proper?
Andrew: — Yeah, the primary 18 months was like actually, actually unimaginable startup like hockey stick progress, then the final 18 months have been very eventful and everybody’s examine it within the information. So I don’t need to summarize that.
Ryan: Yeah, and Ada, you’ve had a fairly attention-grabbing journey at Microsoft, LinkedIn, Survey Monkey, and then a two-person startup with your husband.
Ada: Yeah. Yeah. Really a number of two particular person startups in addition to, I spent a while within the recreation area as properly at Mochi Media. So, after I graduated from school, I used to be in Seattle at Microsoft for a 12 months and Microsoft on the time I feel was round 80,000-100,000 workers? Very, very structured. Labored within the advert heart area and the internet marketing area when search advertising was simply turning into a factor and precisely 367 days or so later, moved out to the Bay Space in 2007 and so labored at a tiny little startup that had simply raised Collection A referred to as Mochi Media, which was an internet video games advert network, and spent a number of years there after it was finally acquired by Shanda Video games and then truly began my first firm which was a contact administration app referred to as Linked. It was all about contact administration with out the work. We raised some funding for that, finally offered it to LinkedIn and I had my expertise form of becoming a member of LinkedIn as a simply as an organization that was actually maturing on the time. That they had simply had their IPO. There are about 1700 workers and skilled hyper progress for the primary time, targeted on issues like relaunching Linked as LinkedIn Contacts, progress, studying rather a lot about subscriptions and shopper SaaS and was recruited out of that to work at Survey Monkey, the place I used to be SVP of Advertising and then just lately left a few years again to begin a brand new firm that’s truly a husband and spouse staff with Sachin Rekhi and we began an organization referred to as Notejoy, which is a collaborative notes app for groups and so we’re actually targeted on, how can we truly create a quick and targeted workspace for groups that will get them out of the noise of chat and e-mail.
Ryan: Yeah, staff collaboration and productiveness is so essential as a result of when you may even enhance collaboration and effectivity inside a staff by like even simply 10 p.c, it might probably have such a big impact on each your productiveness but in addition similar to your pleasure.
Ada: That was truly a part of the inspiration behind the title and it’s a kind of issues the place even once you go to a small staff like small tight-fitting groups or bigger organizations, you see this friction at this time that also exists with regards to communication and collaboration and simply take into consideration what number of decrepit out-of-date Wikis you see and Google Docs which can be form of misplaced within the ether and then individuals becoming a member of and getting forwarded random emails from manner again when as a result of that’s the one place that information lives, we have been actually excited about how can we create one thing that tackles that and productiveness has all the time been an enormous area the place I’ve been captivated with.
Ryan: It is a actually broad query, however what’s it like working at such a giant firm like LinkedIn and Microsoft and others to now simply you and your husband?
Ada: Yeah, I imply it’s massively completely different and I feel the largest dimension the place I’d say working at a big firm versus a small startup is completely different is that efficient execution seems utterly completely different. It’s an evening and day distinction. So once you’re executing at a small startup or a small staff and even simply by your self, it actually comes all the way down to ideating, choosing and prioritizing and then rolling up your sleeves and getting issues completed as shortly as doable from an execution tempo. With regards to working at a big firm, it’s truly rather more cerebral, proper? And it’s rather more within the coronary heart. You’re truly excited about how do you talk and collaborate throughout the cross purposeful group of groups to get the initiative completed. So are you able to talk what it’s about? Are you able to encourage individuals to get it completed? Are you able to handle the entire items?
Ada: And the irony of it’s that typically once you’re engaged on tasks with giant scale, as a result of the skillset is so completely different, it truly feels such as you’re not doing something in any respect your self. You’re truly merely managing the appendages of all the opposite teams and making an attempt to be sure that everybody’s staying on monitor and executing. And in order organizations scale, the execution work round how a lot collaboration it takes will get orders of magnitude larger when it comes to how arduous it’s to get everybody aligned and marching in the identical course versus one particular person. And so, I actually assume that that’s one of many greatest variations, such as you go to a startup to discover ways to do issues and possibly not very properly and you go to a big firm to see how issues are completed rather well, however throughout a broad vary of disciplines and features and actually see how the entire thing comes collectively as an engine form of buzzing easily and working.
Ryan: You talked about communication is one ability or trait of individuals in bigger firms. And Andrew, you used to weblog, I imply you continue to do, however you used to weblog rather a lot. That’s largely how I feel you constructed a fairly huge following over the previous decade or so. How did you even get into writing to start with?
Andrew: So, first I like writing. That’s form of the very very first thing, and I used to be all the time certainly one of these, youngsters the place like, I saved a journal and I would love write in it and then delete it and then begin a brand new one and actually I used to be the one viewers. I similar to loved it myself. And so earlier than beginning my present skilled weblog, I feel I had like three different blogs that I had began over time. Simply mainly, simply getting going and then deleting them and not likely sticking with it over time.
Ryan: Why did you delete the earlier blogs?
Andrew: Since you get bored with it, and you’re simply kinda like, okay, I’m completed, form of factor. After which like I feel on these it was actually, it’s like who’s studying it? It’s like Ada, like my mother and father, like —
Ada: — Enjoyable reality about Andrew’s early blogs: he would truly forcibly subscribe us to the emails to be sure that we wouldn’t miss something.
Ryan: That was earlier than a number of the ICANN e-mail legal guidelines and actually earlier than GDPR.
Andrew: Yeah, proper. Yeah, precisely. So I feel, don’t inform a 20 12 months outdated who they will subscribe to a weblog or not. So I actually loved that. After which after I moved to the Bay Space 10 years in the past, what I mainly determined to do was I used to be like, I’m gonna write down the whole lot that I’m studying and I’m simply gonna begin, like going out and so the humorous factor, I used to be studying a lot in my first 12 months that I used to be simply writing lots of, like fairly random snippets, a few of it might be like a paragraph or two, and I’d do it like, possibly twice per week or one thing like that. So like fairly typically and that’s truly how I met Marc Andreessen initially. It turned out that he in some way randomly had chanced on my weblog through Hacker Information and then by means of that, had ended up seeing a few of my content material and then he chilly emailed me and that’s how I met him in 2007. So it was like a fairly random and wonderful journey however on the time, I used to be an entrepreneur in residence. I used to be a 24 12 months outdated entrepreneur in residence truly throughout the road from right here, which is absolutely humorous. And one of many issues that my colleagues would inform me is they might say like, why are you losing your time running a blog, you’re gifting away all your finest concepts? Like, what are you doing? Like, these are the secrets and techniques that you just’re going to make use of to know the factor. And on the time I used to be like, properly, I’m by no means going to be a enterprise capitalist so prefer it doesn’t matter. And so consequently, I’m simply going to offer away all these items and then, and it’s clearly so ironic now that like, a lot of the job is, is clearly, sharing your concepts and giving again to the neighborhood through Twitter and Medium and writing, writing essays and all that.
Ryan: Now that’s the norm.
Andrew: Yeah, proper, precisely. Yeah. And actually it was like, it might have been thought-about very contrarian I feel to truly share a bunch. However anyway, so I’ve saved it up and I feel, I’m, I’m properly into the various, many a whole bunch of essays, over 10 years and I feel at instances I’ve taken like a hiatus, I feel I took a two 12 months hiatus within the center. However like I feel my purpose now’s actually to publish like recurrently, however to do it on the form of like a excessive stage of high quality and to go deeper into concepts and to form of break new ideas and new varieties of information to the neighborhood versus actually the, the early days it was like, it’d be like 500 phrases, like what did I study at this time form of factor.
Ryan: So I’m going to take a tie into that slightly bit. You talked about a time period referred to as, appropriate me if I’m fallacious, however one thing alongside the traces of mullet startups, is that appropriate? Or do you do not forget that there’s a tweet in a dialog with you and some others across the distributed nature of firms?
Andrew: Oh yeah, okay, mullet, sure.
Ryan: Mullet startups is a catchy time period as a result of it’s a pattern that we’ve recognized. Product Hunt is a mullet startup I assume, we’re headquartered in San Francisco, however we’ve got a distributed staff.
Andrew: So The Economist’s cowl for this week is Peak Valley, is, is it over in Silicon Valley?
Andrew: So then I feel there’s been, there’s been lots of like actually attention-grabbing dialogue round that. I feel, and clearly lots of it has to do with like housing and the Bay Space and there’s a lot to unpack there, proper? However I feel that one of many reactions to it has been that we see many firms, with their management and their executives within the Bay Space, however with regards to hiring engineers and designers and all kinds of folks, then they’re more likely to distribute the staff, anyplace.
Andrew: And so, yeah, to your level, that is form of the mullet, as a result of it’s form of enterprise within the entrance and occasion within the again form of factor. AndI assume it’s fascinating as a result of it’s truly simply the reverse of one of many fashions that we’ve seen over time the place, for instance, you’ll have a very robust technical staff out of Paris or out of Israel or out of Singapore and they’ll get began, they’ll get funded and then they’ll understand, okay, hey, all of our prospects are within the US, let’s transfer the CEO and the gross sales and advertising perform to the Bay Space. And so you find yourself with the, the mullet, however similar to form of, however now you do it in reverse. Proper. So I feel that’s like a fairly attention-grabbing, reverse mullet, which is form of an attention-grabbing pattern today.
Ryan: Yeah. So it’s simply you two proper now Ada at Notejoy, however when you have been to, let’s say you wanted to rent 10 individuals tomorrow, how would you strategy it? Would you rent within the Bay Space or would you go distant?
Ada: Yeah, I imply that’s truly an enchanting query as a result of it’s one thing that we’ve debated and considered as a result of issues have modified a lot. Not solely from the prices, however then additionally, what’s the skill for you to entry and work together with individuals at scale, in the event that they’re positioned in different places. We truly talked to this shut good friend of mine who’s a founder who, constructed his firm and scaled it to income, fairly substantial income within the Bay Space. And he mainly stated to us, if I have been to do it once more, I consider that Silicon Valley is the worst place to self-fund an organization or to begin an organization and even to have funding and attempt to construct a staff. And the largest problem that he was having was truly entry to expertise. I feel it might actually rely. I feel on one hand I feel we’ve got actually robust networks inside the Bay Space and so it might be doable to form of peel individuals off and that’s actually what number of startups begin with their founding staff. They pull those that they respect, that they work with, which have shared perception in to form of create that preliminary nucleus of a staff and that will get you to your first couple of headcount. So possibly we are able to get to 10 that manner, however I do assume that now when it’s coming to scale, like yeah, we might positively be trying very intently at might we construct a distant staff and create a very distributed workforce for Notejoy.
Andrew: I feel one of many distinctions is do you rent lots of people who’re doing the form of particular person contributor work versus the managers as a result of I do assume that it finally ends up being actually arduous when you need to discover the engineering director that’s managed 200 engineers to search out that elsewhere, versus it being, form of a major factor. So, so there’s a very attention-grabbing factor about cities, proper? Which is like when you graph the inhabitants of cities and form of like, stack rank them, you’ll see that there’s an influence regulation in it. And like the largest cities are actually, actually, actually massive and then there’s this like there’s this lengthy tail of all these like little tiny cities. And the explanation for that’s that there’s actually like a network impact inside cities, proper? Like, whether or not it’s present enterprise in LA or it’s, finance in New York, like these ecosystems that emerge occur as a result of, you find yourself with the designers who’re right here as a result of the engineers are right here as a result of the advertising individuals are right here as a result of the capital is right here as a result of and on and on and on and multi functional place. And so certainly one of my colleagues right here at Andreessen Horowitz, Darcy, had talked about, he tweeted the concept, certainly one of two issues will occur, proper? Both these network results proceed to carry, which means that then, truly the Bay Space will simply proceed to be what it’s, proper? Or, we truly make actually attention-grabbing structural shifts in how we manage groups and workforces and all that stuff. By which case the network results change into much less robust. However what which means just isn’t that then impulsively, another metropolis like turns into a quote unquote the following Silicon Valley. It truly simply implies that everybody simply lives the place they need to stay and eat and that’s that. And so, so when you consider that thesis, you then’d truly say there isn’t any quote unquote subsequent Silicon Valley. It both simply continues or it’ll simply be distributed. Proper. I feel that’s like a fairly attention-grabbing —
Ada: — I feel you see that already rising even inside on-line communities. So when you concentrate on the place the discourse truly going down, proper, it’s going down on Medium, it’s going down on Twitter, it’s going down on Product Hunt. We went by means of the expertise of launching on Product Hunt and we have been actually amazed by how worldwide the neighborhood was in distinction to the sooner startup Linked that we’d completed a number of years earlier than that. It will not be as essential sooner or later for everybody to be bodily co-located in the identical area.
Ryan: Yeah. I’m tremendous fascinated by this area and I’m truly dedicated to investing in an organization that’s rethinking how individuals talk with a distributed and distant staff by video as a result of we’ve got lots of completely different instruments on the market like Zoom and Google Hangouts and others and they’re all form of utilities in that they’re not a lot completely different from one another. It’s similar to a giant display screen with your face on it and they’re rethinking, in a world the place everyone seems to be distributed or a gaggle of individuals are distributed and one other group of individuals are working from their house, how do you talk extra successfully? Yeah, I discover it an attention-grabbing pattern. I feel one commentary too is that the mullet technique can work rather well if your house base is the place your prospects are. So such as you stated Andrew earlier, like when you’re constructing an leisure firm, it’s most likely good to have connections and stay in LA to be able to be round these individuals and that may create lots of serendipity in enterprise partnerships and so on, however you don’t essentially want your total staff there. You too can have them world wide. If you happen to can construct a tradition that may facilitate working successfully distant. I’m pro-remote, if it is sensible for your firm. Simply saying, I’m barely biased. It’s been 5 years now with Product Hunt working distributed.
Andrew: I feel what’s arduous is that mainly there’s a complete class of interactions have been being in particular person is definitely higher. And so when you’re assembly individuals for the primary time in a partnership kind situation or a gross sales form of situation or in investing form of situation, such as you do need to go old fashioned, you do need to see the opposite particular person. and so I feel in these circumstances, that’s the place, that’s truly, I feel the place the network results truly kick it proper the place then it’s like, okay, yeah, let’s get everybody clustered collectively, in these circumstances.
Ryan: SF particularly, is so dense. I imply, granted I’m driving all the way down to Menlo Park, however it’s a small, quick journey. Whereas LA and New York as properly, it’s truly arduous to have lots of conferences inside a 5 hour interval as a result of everyone seems to be distributed throughout completely different places. I’m curious to listen to from an investing facet, are you actively form of the way forward for work or distributed groups and seeking to spend money on firms constructing for that?
Andrew: Completely. I imply I feel, I feel there’s a pair completely different angles on the way forward for work which can be, which can be value mentioning. So I feel one is, I discovered a ton of actually, actually attention-grabbing classes at Uber, however I feel one of the crucial essential ones is that there are 80 million hourly employees in America. Proper? And so these are people which can be typically working a number of half time jobs, they don’t have regular sources of revenue, and what they’re typically doing is they’re driving Uber form of between their different issues, proper. And so I feel once you have a look at that, you’re like, wow, like the way forward for work has to embody that trade, which is what are all the opposite sorts of attention-grabbing work that may truly occur? So like simply to name out a pair actually attention-grabbing ones: there’s an organization referred to as VIPKID which caters to — the patron facet is mainly youngsters in China and then the availability facet of the market is mainly typically like Midwestern like ex-teachers, keep at house mothers, that form of factor and they’re spending time on video collectively and they’re getting this complete expertise round instructing and tutoring. And that is one thing that you are able to do from your house. Like tremendous attention-grabbing. Proper? There’s clearly a lot of actually attention-grabbing issues occurring in actual property. Our portfolio firm, Airbnb clearly offers lots of actually essential, supplemental revenue —
Ryan: If your HOA will truly permit it. I’m talking from expertise. They won’t permit me, sadly to lease my place out. However it’s fairly typical, proper?
Andrew: I imply, I feel inside all these completely different varieties of labor, there’s clearly completely different guidelines that have to be be in place and that’s true for rideshare and that’s true for many different issues as properly. However I feel that’s form of one notion of a future of labor that I feel is essential for us to contemplate regardless that it’s form of outdoors the tech bubble slightly bit, however it’s a very large market. I feel the flip facet is, I’ve been an on once more off once more advisor to Dropbox for a few years and I’ve identified that staff for some time and once you have a look at what these horizontal merchandise are attempting to do, it’s form of like, we’re in a world the place, if we are able to get all of those skilled white collar employees — simply make their jobs higher, proper? And similar to make all these workflows, these actually sophisticated workflows that for essentially the most half are nonetheless being managed in spreadsheets and docs and chat and form of like streamline all that. There’s tons and tons of alternative throughout many various dimensions.
Ryan: So let’s discuss some apps or merchandise you guys love. Ada, what’s on your house display screen that individuals have to learn about or is there a product you employ possibly day by day, each week that’s bettering your life, altering your life?
Ada: Yeah, that’s an important query. So I’m an enormous fan of personal productiveness and so, yearly I make my New Yr’s resolutions and certainly one of my resolutions for instance, was get to some extent the place I used to be figuring out thrice per week and the problem that I all the time had was the accountability, proper? And monitoring. And so that is most likely not a very standard app, however certainly one of my favourite apps for that’s truly this iOS app referred to as HabitShare. And it mainly permits you to share accountability, like share your to do listing, like test I did it at this time and set a purpose and just remember to’re preserving monitor of how accountable you might be towards it. I’m an enormous fan of that. After which I feel Andrew truly launched me to this, however I like this app referred to as Captio as properly and it’s a really fast solution to e-mail your self and you wouldn’t assume that it’s that many faucets to e-mail your self to recollect a fast concept. However after you skilled it, it’s fairly mind-blowing.
Andrew: Can we simply go on a fast tangent about Ada’s purpose setting technique?
Ryan: Sure. This is without doubt one of the the reason why we had brothers and sisters on the present.
Andrew: Yeah. So one of many issues that’s spectacular, but in addition slightly bit scary is the the extent of — she truly makes use of OKRs, targets and key outcomes. There’s a complete guide about it. With the intention to deal with her objectives, however that is the perfect half. Her husband additionally does the identical, Sachin additionally does the identical and they really will rating one another on the OKRs. Do you need to discuss this slightly?
Ada: True story. So, each my husband and I like productiveness. I imply, this is the reason we’ve been spending all of our time engaged on Notejoy, however I spent most likely a decade of my life at this level excited about productiveness apps and so OKRs is definitely one thing that we’ve adopted as a course of from LinkedIn, which initially got here from Google, which initially got here from one other firm earlier than that. It’s broadly adopted.
Ryan: John Doerr truly wrote a guide about it just lately.
Ada: Yeah, that’s proper. And so with targets and key outcomes, we truly discovered that it was a very great way of creating objectives which can be each measurable in addition to very distinct particular. And so we truly do annual OKRs is on a personal stage, whether or not it’s round like personal infrastructure, like health or relate to your life —
Andrew: — You’ve like a KR that’s like hanging out with associates thrice monthly.
Ada: Yeah. So I truly had a reconnection OKR at one level the place I mainly made a listing of individuals, 50 those that introduced me pleasure that I used to be actually engaged with, all the time needed to get to know higher, the bar was mainly simply attention-grabbing and that I hadn’t spoken to in 4 to 6 months and then the purpose was mainly to take a one month interval and meet with half of them and it was truly one of the crucial energizing and remodeling objectives that I’d had as a result of it was a good way to form of have a targeted effort at reconnecting with individuals and constructing relationships. And yeah, we rating one another on it so we even have enterprise OKRs when it comes to managing the enterprise that we do on a quarterly foundation and then I’ve annual OKRs round a few of my objectives resembling like studying a brand new ability or no matter else. Thanks for bringing that up.
Andrew: I don’t use OKRs to attain something in my life. Do you?
Ryan: Not likely. I imply, that’s extraordinarily nerdy but in addition I’m form of impressed as a result of the fantastic thing about OKRs is once you craft the best OKRs it’s binary, such as you go it otherwise you didn’t and lots of people they set objectives like New Yr’s resolutions and they’re like, I need to work out extra and that’s their purpose. They usually find yourself not truly pursuing it oftentimes partially as a result of it’s not particular. It’s like, properly does that imply it’s worthwhile to work out thrice per week, minimal, for the remainder of the 12 months, and what are your objectives and what are your outcomes and expectations out of that?
Ada: Proper. Sure. I truly tapped into this HabitShare app along with that and particularly with the health purpose, it was truly, Q1 was like, okay, get to as soon as per week, twice per week, Q3, is at thrice per week. And in order that’s truly how I’ve been monitoring and attaining it.
Ryan: Like it.
Andrew: Okay. So certainly one of my favourite issues on Twitter is I, I attempted to do that at the very least yearly the place I’ll simply screenshot my, my homescreen and then I’ll simply ask all people else to simply do the identical and then like reply and it’s actually cool. To begin with it’s a really personal factor what your house display screen is and so I all the time have to take a look at it and be like, is there something like bizarre on right here I don’t need, a stealth beta firm —
Ryan: — Proper, proper, precisely. Yeah, stuff like that.
Andrew: Precisely. After which, and then equally like different individuals’s homescreens are actually attention-grabbing. Like often you’ll see individuals the place they’ll, they’ll like type their homescreen by like shade and that’s how they manage the whole lot and I’m similar to, that’s insane. Anyway, so I used to be going to say a number of the apps which can be like on my house display screen today. So I feel one, as Ada talked about, there’s an app referred to as Captio which is nice however this morning truly you had tweeted one thing that the Fin staff had come out with a brand new app referred to as Nota Bene, which is form of like Captio on steroids. So I truly simply put in, I put it on my house display screen, I’m truly actually excited to strive it.
Ryan: Yeah. What, what does it assist you to do for those who aren’t acquainted with Kaptio?
Andrew: Proper. So, mainly each of those apps they assist you to, you mainly open up the app, there’s a clean textual content display screen, you kind in no matter you need and you then simply hit ship and then it emails you. In order that’s Captio. After which what Nota Bene does is it has a pair extra aliases. It has issues like, that is one thing that like I truly actually need and want which is sending to my work e-mail versus my house e-mail. After which I’d do like work e-mail plus like admin, is a factor. And so I feel that’s Fin’s hook to attempt to get you into the workflow, that manner. However yeah. So, I feel that that one I take advantage of on a regular basis. I used to be mentioning that, for my first 12 months on the job at Andreessen Horowitz, I moved all the way down to downtown Palo Alto however I’m spending two days per week within the metropolis and so one of many issues that I’m discovering is that, I’m making an attempt completely different sorts of like, options for like, oh, if I need a spot to hang around and do e-mail, like what ought to I take advantage of? And so one of many issues that I’ve been making an attempt out over over the past couple months now has been Breather, which helps you to lease , mainly like a convention room that’s been constructed out and form of doing conferences there. One other one is Spacious, which simply bought launched truly I feel within the final couple of weeks. It’s a very cool idea. So what they do is that they mainly, you may have these actually excessive finish eating places, proper? And like they’ve a really good inside and all that stuff, however they’re mainly closed all the day all the way in which till like 5:00 PM. And so the thought is between 9 to 5 or eight to 5 or regardless of the hours are, can they really simply actually put like one particular person there and simply have like espresso and water and you then use the inside of this stunning restaurant. So one of many locations in SF is the Press Membership, proper? Which is that this nice —
Ryan: — Yeah, good spot.
Andrew: It’s tons of area and so, you possibly can mainly simply hand around in the press membership through the day and it’s mainly utterly empty and it’s like —
Ryan: — How a lot does it value sometimes?
Andrew: It’s like a membership foundation. I feel it’s like 90 bucks a month or one thing like that. They usually have spots in Cole Valley and Hayes Valley and the Castro and a bunch of different locations. One other one which’s form of like this, it’s fairly attention-grabbing I feel after I first heard this concept I like laughed as a result of I believed it was so humorous, however, however now I even have like used it like in an actual manner which is an organization referred to as Recharge and that it permits you to lease accommodations by the minute. And so that you’re form of like, what’s the use case for that? The precise use case is, you want a spot to make a cellphone name. Proper. And so in the identical manner that like Breather or Spacious, it’s like, it’s form of like, oh properly you may have all this built-in stock and like possibly you maintain out a room —
Ryan: — Or possibly only a bathe. Some individuals are touring, flying. I simply want in between conferences to have a bathe.
Andrew: Proper, proper. After which you possibly can pay like one fourth the worth of a lodge, and like that truly is like form of helpful. So anyway, these are enjoyable. I feel I’m now as much as, I’m making an attempt certainly one of these like form of virtually on a weekly foundation which has been fairly cool.
Andrew: We’re going to speak about Reddit slightly bit? Yeah, as a result of I’m like a day by day lively consumer. I don’t test it on a regular basis, like I’d most likely test it not as typically as Twitter, however it’s like, it’s like my default late night time learn, after I need to similar to sit back,
Ryan: You’ll be able to simply flip your mind off. It’s completely different than Twitter, it’s completely different from some other neighborhood. I truly bought a guide, a pre-release guide by Christine. She’s been writing about this for years now, concerning the historical past of Reddit. It’s about 400-500 pages lengthy. You’ll get pleasure from it.
Andrew: Properly, I simply purchased a Alexis’s guide that he had written a pair years in the past, so yeah. I’ve been into Reddit for like a number of years now, however it’s humorous, certainly one of my good associates, Noah Kagan was actually like, it’s worthwhile to go to your favourite subreddits and enroll and comply with and truly arrange your Reddit and then it’s wonderful.
Ryan: Type of like Twitter.
Andrew: Precisely. Proper. Proper. And I feel I didn’t get it as a result of I’d go to the homepage and I’d form of be like, properly that is kinda enjoyable, is that this like one other cat memes web site or no matter? I feel the one which I need to advocate that people begin out with is definitely when you simply go to the /bestof subreddit. So it’s like reddit.com/r/bestof. Then it mainly simply hyperlinks to a number of the finest feedback on Reddit over the past 24 hours and then you possibly can truly type it by the final month or one thing like that. So I feel anyway, that that’s an excellent one. However yeah, I comply with a ton of various subreddits at this level. The opposite one I actually like is r/firstworldanarchists and that’s mainly, when you may have like an indication that’s like don’t step right here and then somebody takes a photograph, like they’re stepping within the grass or no matter, that’s like my form of like rule breaking. Anyway. So yeah, so there’s that. After which the one, one, one final thing I’ll point out is Bose Quiet Consolation — the wi-fi noise canceling issues as I’ve been commuting from SF and Palo Alto are like wonderful. And they also even have an app that permits you to like modify, how a lot noise cancellation you need so I take advantage of it on a regular basis.
Ryan: These are those that simply go in your ear, proper? Kinda like Airpods?
Andrew: Proper. The battery truly hangs on your neck and then they go into your ear. So that they’re not over-ear, they’re those that go in. However I truly, I’ve each and yeah, I want this one essentially the most and I like carry it with me in every single place at this level.
Ryan: Do you reside on, on Reddit in any respect Ada?
Ada: I’m most likely a weekly lively consumer. I test it in and I similar to to see r/bestof and see what individuals are speaking about. However you’re proper. I imply it’s such a, it’s such a passive solution to form of see lots of attention-grabbing content material stream by.
Ryan: What’s additionally good about Reddit in a world the place content material is delivered by algorithms and individuals you comply with and issues like that, like on Twitter and Fb and so on. It’s form of refreshing to go to a spot like Reddit the place you will get out of your bubble and you possibly can discover the weirdest stuff when you actually need to. It’s not socially curated, it’s not personally curated essentially to love the whole lot that Reddit is aware of about you, however it’s actually a neighborhood of individuals geeking out about these items. One in all my favourite subreddits, I don’t go to Reddit all that usually, I attempt to truly keep away from it as a result of it’s form of a rabbit gap, however one subreddit I like is known as r/internetisbeautiful and we’ll discover there’s truly lots of actually bizarre tasks and web sites and little hacks that individuals are constructing and it’s virtually all the time pleasant. You go there and discover one thing bizarre, just a few loopy web site that somebody created and the title, r/internetisbeautiful is simply such a beautiful feeling. It’s actually, rather well crafted subreddit. Cool. Thanks for having me over right here. By the way in which, is there the rest you’d prefer to to plug — something within the portfolio possibly Andrew? Or something at Notejoy, Ada?
Andrew: We have been speaking about how when once you have been simply signing in at Andreessen Horowitz, I used to be like, oh, it is best to set up the Envoy app. Yeah. As a result of it makes it a lot simpler. You actually get a photograph of your face on it and you simply faucet on it and then like, and you go in and it really works over Bluetooth. So anyway, so I all the time prefer to plug Envoy, it’s certainly one of our portfolio firms.
Ryan: I discussed this earlier, however we didn’t get into it. Envoy is such an attention-grabbing firm. I’m fascinated by social graphs and once you have a look at the distinctiveness of a social graph like Twitter and Fb and LinkedIn and, and I feel a number of the most attention-grabbing ones which can be much less talked about is one, like Slack may be very attention-grabbing, just like the individuals which can be in your Slack staff or the individuals that you just truly work with, nobody else has entry to that form of graph proper now. And Envoy can also be actually fascinating. It’s like a graph of the individuals and enterprise companions and individuals that you just’re assembly at your firm. Nobody else has that.
Andrew: Properly, I imply I feel it wouldn’t shock you to know that the CEO, Larry, was truly actually early worker at Twitter. Proper. And so lots of the form of pondering round each the product expertise and similar to how good it’s. I feel we’ve gotten to, to this complete pattern now the place your workplace and your workplace expertise is that this extension of your model. And so now individuals like actually care about it. So that they don’t need like this sort of kludgy pen and paper factor. And that product expertise is so essential. However to your level on the graph is, completely agree — I feel that’s additionally one of many the reason why it’s like, Envoy’s fairly particular in form of the pantheon of those like B2B firms in that it truly grows virally. Like the way in which that the corporate grows is that individuals expertise it and they’re like wow, that is very nice. After which as quickly as they return to their workplace they’re like we must always have one. And there’s actually not that many merchandise that develop that manner. Dropbox grows that manner, Slack grows that manner. It’s like a viral B2B factor. And so I feel, in, in the identical manner it’s like that, that graph implies that not solely is it spreading virally and allows that unfold, however then the opposite half I feel is wow, okay, cool, you get a listing of all of the individuals which can be visiting and who they’re visiting and then that may then feed into like all your different like, offline knowledge.
Ryan: Or CRM.
Andrew: Yeah, so you’re taking your offline knowledge and flip it into on-line stuff and it’s one other touchpoint which is tremendous essential.
Ryan: You don’t have Envoy on the headquarters, Ada?
Andrew: I feel she has a doorbell.
Ryan: Old-fashioned doorbell. So yeah, what’s down the pipe?
Ada: What’s new on the pipe is that we’ve truly been doing a ton of cellular enhancements and so we’re truly bringing Android very quickly when it comes to bringing it out as an app. It’s attention-grabbing now as a result of the bar for shopper and enterprise apps is a lot increased than it was once, proper? Prefer it’s truly actually essential to be absolutely multi-platform, so we’ve all the time had Mac and PC and then the browser and we’ve had iOS however it’s actually thrilling to truly carry that to Android as a result of that’s been a giant issue for lots of groups which can be making an attempt to undertake Notejoy as an general group and so yeah, simply cranking and arduous at work.
Ryan: Cool. Superior. Properly thanks for approaching. This would be the first of hopefully many brother-sister Product Hunt Radio reveals.
Andrew: Superior. Thanks for having us.
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